[phenixbb] Stalled refinement

Dale Tronrud detBB at daletronrud.com
Fri Apr 18 09:34:45 PDT 2014


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Hi,

   I don't see how you can not have translational ncs.  You are in space
group P21 and have an ncs two-fold parallel to y. Doesn't this
combination have to give rise to translational ncs?

   I may have screwed up my paper matrix multiplications but I come up
with a translational ncs of about (0, 0.3, 0.3) in fractional
coordinates.  If the translation were 0.3333 you would only see strong
reflections for k+l=3n.  This would result in a lot of weak data and
higher than expected free R's.

   Of course, xtriage should be screaming bloody murder and you should
be seeing the peak in the Patterson.  I'm confused.

Dale Tronrud

On 4/17/2014 6:05 PM, Yarrow Madrona wrote:
> There is no significant peaks for translational NCS. I also didn't
> see anything in the patterson map.
> 
> However, the Multivariate Z score L-test gives 6.218. Also the
> observed Centric reflections are more intense than they should be
> but I don't suspect twinning in a monoclinic space group.
> 
> -Yarrow
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Paul Adams <pdadams at lbl.gov 
> <mailto:pdadams at lbl.gov>> wrote:
> 
> 
> What does triage say about translation NCS?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Yarrow Madrona <amadrona at uci.edu 
> <mailto:amadrona at uci.edu>> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I using the latest stable build of phenx.refine (1.8.4) I recently
> collected data, processed and obtained an MR solution using phaser.
> I am stuck trying to refine with an Rfree sitting at 40%
> 
> I really want to know if the high Rfree is due to poor data quality
> or if non-crystallographic symmetry involving a near perfect two
> fold rotation between the two molecules in the ASU could somehow
> impede refinement. Stats and other information is below. Thank you
> for any help you can give.
> 
> -Yarrow
> 
> 
> Visually, the quality of the data is marginal at best (streaky/ice
> rings in many frames) despite good processing stats from XDS.
> Processing with mosflm or HKL2000 managed to index but failed
> pretty bad in integration and scaling.
> 
> Phaser gave high TFZ scores for 2 molecules in the asu (see
> below).
> 
> Density for a cholesterol like ligand shows up even though not 
> present in the search model.
> 
> MolRep Self rotation shows rotational symmetry. 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2zsajl5o091k50r/CYP142A2-032814_21_rf%20copy.pdf
>
>  The 2 molecules in the ASU are related by almost a 2 fold
> rotation:
> 
> Rotation matrix for chain A to chain B:
> 
> new_ncs_group rota_matrix    1.0000    0.0000    0.0000 rota_matrix
> 0.0000    1.0000    0.0000 rota_matrix    0.0000    0.0000
> 1.0000 tran_orth     0.0000    0.0000    0.0000
> 
> center_orth   15.2016    0.5245   33.7070
> 
> rota_matrix   -0.9860   -0.1636   -0.0309 rota_matrix   -0.1659
> 0.9511    0.2605 rota_matrix   -0.0132    0.2620   -0.9650 
> tran_orth      34.3310  -24.0033  107.0457
> 
> center_orth   15.7607    7.2426   77.7512
> 
> RMSD, B onto A = 0.0007 after phaser RMSD, B onto A = 0.347 after
> one round of refinement in phenix
> 
> 
> Refinement using aniostropically corrected data (ucla web server:
> Services.mbi.ucla.edu/anisoscale 
> <http://Services.mbi.ucla.edu/anisoscale>) did not improve the 
> Rfree in refinement.
> 
> 
> Statistics are listed below:
> 
> UNIT CELL: 51.487 88.923 89.592 90 97.15 90 P21
> 
> RESOLUTION     NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS    COMPLETENESS R-FACTOR 
> R-FACTOR COMPARED I/SIGMA   R-meas  CC(1/2)  Anomal  SigAno   Nano 
> LIMIT     OBSERVED  UNIQUE  POSSIBLE     OF DATA   observed 
> expected                                      Corr
> 
> 5.99        8280    1927      2087       92.3%       3.1% 3.3%
> 8246   35.09      3.5%    99.8*    20*   0.909    1296 4.30
> 14606    3401      3487       97.5%       3.3% 3.5%    14580
> 33.37      3.8%    99.9*    11*   0.843    2273 3.53       17961
> 4244      4445       95.5%       3.8% 3.9%    17944   31.11
> 4.4%    99.8*    -2    0.789    2721 3.06       21954    5068
> 5221       97.1%       4.9% 5.1%    21933   24.81      5.6%
> 99.7*    -2    0.780    3455 2.74       25741    5830      5933
> 98.3%       7.6% 7.6%    25713   18.88      8.6%    99.5*    -2
> 0.782    4165 2.51       27859    6311      6483       97.3%
> 10.8% 10.8%    27824   14.06     12.3%    99.1*    -2    0.774
> 4385 2.32       31336    6979      7084       98.5%      14.9% 
> 15.3%    31296   10.49     16.8%    98.5*    -4    0.748    5095 
> 2.17       32396    7347      7567       97.1%      22.3% 22.7%
> 32341    7.46     25.4%    97.3*    -7    0.728    5055 2.05
> 32254    7339      8047       91.2%      33.1% 33.5%    32075
> 5.06     37.5%    94.8*    -6    0.724    5155 total      212387
> 48446     50354       96.2%       7.8% 7.9%   211952   16.57
> 8.8%    99.7*    -3    0.768   33600
> 
> Processing with mosflm or HKL2000 managed to index but failed 
> pretty bad in integration and scaling.
> 
> 
> Phaser:
> 
> SOLU SET RFZ=27.5 TFZ=24.2 PAK=0 LLG=1711 RF++ TFZ=64.6 PAK=0 
> LLG=3610 LLG=4865
> 
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