[phenixbb] choosing Rfree set with NCS and twinning
nechols at lbl.gov
Fri Nov 30 06:52:15 PST 2012
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:03 AM, vincent Chaptal
<vincent.chaptal at ibcp.fr> wrote:
> I am using the "reflection file editor" in phenix 1.8.1-1168 to generate my
> test set (with the GUI).
> I have NCS so I ticked the box "assign test set in thin resolution shells".
> I also have twinning, and want to have my Rfree not biased by twin related
> reflections. I guess the option "use lattice symmetry to generate test set"
> is the one I should use for this purpose? I couldn't find much information
> online about this option. No log file has been generated so I can't check
> what happened.
Yes, you want to use lattice symmetry - this is the default in most
programs in Phenix, since there's no reason not to use it. All it
does is group together reflections which might be related by twin
operators or pseudo-symmetry. I will see if our documentation can be
expanded (and log output, sorry!).
According to Randy and Paul, the thin shell method doesn't really help
very much in practice. Pavel claims it can screw with the maximum
likelihood equations which assume a more-or-less even distribution of
the test set, although I haven't noticed this myself - it is probably
more of an issue for poorer data. (A secondary problem in Phenix is
that we don't have a sensible method to extend the test set to higher
resolution when it's created in shells.)
> I am supposing xtriage is ran in the background and if a twin law is found,
> then used to generate the test set.
Nope, the relationships between reflections are dictated by the
lattice, and are independent of twinning (or the specific twin law) -
if you don't have twinning or pseudosymmetry, then of course these
reflections are not actually correlated, but it doesn't hurt to keep
them together anyway (especially since you might later collect
high-resolution data from a crystal that *is* twinned). In other
words, if you have a lattice like this:
P21 10 20 30 90 90.1 90
then the Phenix will generate the flags in P222, and expand to P21.
> I would like to be sure my Rfree is generated correctly.
> Alternatively, what would happen when multiple twin laws are available? Is
> the most probale used? Is it possible to specify the editor which law to
It looks like you're doing the right thing. Just keep in mind that a)
the problem of NCS restraints biasing your test set is not going to
completely disappear with the use of thin shells, and b) as Garib
Murshudov likes to point out, twinning and twinned refinement affect
the calculation of R-free in other ways, so you need to exercise a
little more caution than usual interpreting that statistic.
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