[phenixbb] phaser MR

sbiswas2 at ncsu.edu sbiswas2 at ncsu.edu
Fri Jul 24 08:15:21 PDT 2009


Hi,
Thanks for your response. So I did one cycle of refinement and indeed the
R work goes down by 5 points when I apply twin law at P4222 space group
and when I look at the map the clashes that were present before are no
longer there. I will try to scale it in P4 or P422 and see how it looks. I
used HKL2000 to scale the data and have no idea if it will make a
difference to use SCALA.
This is what I got from phenix xtriage:
These values look inbetween untwinned and perfect twin
Acentric reflections
   <I^2>/<I>^2    :1.980   (untwinned: 2.000; perfect twin 1.500)
   <F>^2/<F^2>    :0.797   (untwinned: 0.785; perfect twin 0.885)
   <|E^2 - 1|>    :0.727   (untwinned: 0.736; perfect twin 0.541)
Centric reflections
   <I^2>/<I>^2    :2.863   (untwinned: 3.000; perfect twin 2.000)
   <F>^2/<F^2>    :0.673   (untwinned: 0.637; perfect twin 0.785)
   <|E^2 - 1|>    :0.925   (untwinned: 0.968; perfect twin 0.736)

-----------------------------------------------
|  Z  | Nac_obs | Nac_theo | Nc_obs | Nc_theo |
-----------------------------------------------
| 0.0 |   0.000 |    0.000 |  0.000 |   0.000 |
| 0.1 |   0.074 |    0.095 |  0.208 |   0.248 |
| 0.2 |   0.164 |    0.181 |  0.319 |   0.345 |
| 0.3 |   0.246 |    0.259 |  0.391 |   0.419 |
| 0.4 |   0.322 |    0.330 |  0.452 |   0.474 |
| 0.5 |   0.388 |    0.394 |  0.505 |   0.520 |
| 0.6 |   0.445 |    0.451 |  0.552 |   0.561 |
| 0.7 |   0.497 |    0.503 |  0.592 |   0.597 |
| 0.8 |   0.541 |    0.551 |  0.630 |   0.629 |
| 0.9 |   0.587 |    0.593 |  0.659 |   0.657 |
| 1.0 |   0.631 |    0.632 |  0.679 |   0.683 |
-----------------------------------------------
| Maximum deviation acentric      :  0.021    |
| Maximum deviation centric       :  0.040    |
|                                             |
| <NZ(obs)-NZ(twinned)>_acentric  : -0.009    |
| <NZ(obs)-NZ(twinned)>_centric   : -0.014    |

Thanks again for the valuable input,

Shya




 Shya,
>
> Did phaser complain that the asymmetric unit was too full?  How do the
> self rotation maps look? Are the crystallographic peaks exact or off
> by a few degrees (your resolution data may make it difficult to see
> this)? How do the N(z) cumulative intensity distributions look (make
> sure to calculate this with thin resolution bins, i.e. increase BINS
> in Scala I think)? Does your data look sigmoidal on this plot?
>
> Perfect twinning or an NCS that's close to a crystallographic axis is
> difficult to diagnose from merged intensity statistics and even more
> difficult with resolution worse than 2.5. I recommend Dauter Acta
> Cryst (2003) D59 2004-2016 for a good discussion of this.
>
> Your space group might be too high. See the subgroups of P422 at
> http://cci.lbl.gov/~phzwart/p422_2.png
> . Reintegrate and merge the data in each space group, MR a single copy
> of your model  (let phaser complete the ASU) and compare the Rpim's
> (from scaling/merging) and the Rwork/Rfree from a rigid body refine
> without NCS, with NCS, with appropriate twin laws, and with twin laws
> + NCS. No need to do a full refinement just yet.  Allow phenix.refine
> to create the Rfree flags. Choose the space group which gives the best
> statistics.
>
> I recently had a case (Hardin, Reyes, Batey J. Biol. Chem., Vol. 284,
> Issue 22, 15317-15324, May 29, 2009) of a protein that merged into
> P422 but was difficult to refine in that space group. I brought it
> back to P4 and refined with NCS+twin to give more reasonable Rwork/
> Rfree (5-7% difference from the P422 to P4).
>
> HTH,
>
> FR
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:54 PM, sbiswas2 at ncsu.edu wrote:
>
>> Hi Francis,
>> Thanks for your response. The matthews coefficient suggests two
>> molecules
>> in the AU. Phaser also finds two molecules. I ran the dataset through
>> phenix xtriage it did not indicate twinning though. The molecule also
>> exists in nature as a monomer.
>> Shya
>>
>>
>>> Twinning? What's your matthews coefficient say? Do you know if your
>>> structure is a multimer (biochemistry, etc)? Does  it agree with the
>>> matthews coefficient?
>>>
>>> If the unit cell is  not big enough to hold all of the contents,then
>>> this is an indicator for twinning .
>>>
>>> FR
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:09 PM, sbiswas2 at ncsu.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to solve a structure by molecular replacement. I scaled
>>>> the
>>>> data in P4222 space group (resolution 2.7A) with two molecules in
>>>> the
>>>> assymmetric unit (molecule A and B) I ran phaser with my model and
>>>> got a
>>>> Zscore of 5.1. When I look at the map that I got from phaser I could
>>>> easily see good electron density for both molecules, However upon
>>>> inspection of the electron density map there were considerable
>>>> interaction
>>>> or clashes with molecule B and a symmetry atom. Molecule A had no
>>>> clashes
>>>> however with the symmetry atoms. I was wondering if anyone knows how
>>>> to
>>>> resolve this.  Could it be a problem of space group. The statistics
>>>> are
>>>> good for space group P4222 and the I/sigI was good till 2.7A.
>>>> Any advice is appreciated,
>>>> Shya
>>>>
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